December 21 2012

True we have not seen a black hole but we do see the effects of something that consumes matter. We also see matter circling something. So today the majority calls it a black hole and maybe the name will stick or be called something else once we prove what it is.

I like the glass of water analogy and my money is there is nothing outside the bubble but darkness.

Religion says there was nothing before there was light so in that way Moses must have been inspired by the creator or he was the best at imagining how the universe began then anyone since.

I've always pondered if everything is connected, that even our thoughts and actions somehow stir some hidden force in the universe. That our negative and positve actions somehow influence the universe with no time lag as if the universe immediatly reacts to human nature. Maybe that thing that connects us to the universe is what Hawking and others are really looking for.

I think Obe-wan-kanobe called it the "Force"

I'm kinda laughing but wouldn't it be funny if it were true.

lc

I have been doing some thinking Bill (I know dangerous).

If like I said we have "buds" out of black holes creating new universes, then we would have to have a "bud" inside of our universe someware??

Or could it be possible that our universe "is" in its self a "bud" from another universe??

Now my head is realy spining !!!!!!!!!

Yea the force Maverik163,

But just as humans once thought that their was only one galaxy, I cannot accept that there is only one "universe" I try to keep things "fractal and infinite" perhaps thats why my head hurts so much.

These things are always about "US" first we were the centre of the galaxy (wrong) then the centre of the universe (wrong) and now we are the only universe with majical things called black holes where matter goes in and does not come out.

And the biggest lesson here??

Just because we cant see it does not mean that it is not there.

"For the darkness was confounded by the light, and understood it not." A subtle elusion to matter vs. antimatter? Perhaps.

Indeed, the concept of infinity is difficult because it knows no boundaries. The human mind seems to have some Once the concept is envisioned and understood properly, there is plenty of 'time' for all things to happen....over, and over again. Our universe could be one of many, future and past. All very possible, or even likely, if we truly hold steadfast to infinity.
How would the lifespan of humanity measure to infinity? An inch, a mile, a hairsbreadth? As compared to what? Something that has no beginning, and no end?[infinity] Use this measure for the universe....same outcome.

You are a wise man Bill,

To add to the fractal universe "we are the universe" try this vid Bill,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG8YdgsgO9o

Dr. Green may have missed the bus by one word....Brain, [Brane]

I think Andromeda is colliding with the MW....getting a headache [j/k] I'm nearly blind, it is difficult for me to view the vids, but I still have plenty vision and focus.
The similarity between brain cells and universal structure....does give me room for deep pause and meditation.

You are the wise man Bri Just the right nudge, at just the right moment

Good thing is Bill,

If you are almost blind you will have a greater view of the universe than most,

I love this discussion...

Just my personal theory

1 = (the sum of all that is)
If we can't find all that pieces of all that is you can't equate the 1..
Even if we catalog all the pieces, there will always be missing pieces because 1 is infinite...
So it is not done and will never be done...
The possibilities are endless from our mind point of view and limited to this physical point of view.

Can somebody tell us a bit about the great attractor? I read somewhere that all of the galaxies are moving towards that at ~22million mph.

I always wonder how's the universe doing right now.. because what we see from our eyes and detectors are pictures from hundreds to billion years ago which is for me a huge gap to even speculate what is happening now. It would be cool to be able to see the bigger picture of this universe in real time... i would trade my soul for that. Then again even if i could... how can i relate and be sure that it is true with my current puny understanding?

Hi Urakei
The great attractor? Are you saying that there is data showing that all galaxies are moving in one direction?....please, where did you read that?

Found this map of it

Here's the article..

Daily Galaxy - The Dark Attractor: What's Pulling the Milky Way Towards It at 14-Million MPH?

And uh.. it is 14 mil mph and not 22 mil mph.. my bad.

urakei wrote:



Excellent question, I have thought about that as well. The science we do is being done on things we see from the past.

Here's another interesting thought. What if the one thing that would end the universe came from the edge of the universe, or maybe it lives there and is about to happen right now? We would not know it for a very long time.

I've always hoped that if I got a choice in the here after I would ask if I could have a universe for my spirit explore. I could go anywhere in that universe anytime and as fast as I wanted to. How cool would it be to know what the universe is doing and looks like at the blink of an eye.

I'm sure scientist dream of this everyday.

lc

Many theories abound as to the numbers: zero and one.
In my opinion, they are equal in infinite values...
Zero, representing the negative existance[void],
One, representing the positive aspect of existance.
Some will argue that a void is not an existance....however, this is the boundary of the understanding of some.[jmho] For anyone that ponders the universe without a clear understanding of 'nothing' as an infinite expanse, is confused from the start.
No matter[nothing ] how you look at it, nothing exists as a partner with infinity....just as one does. Indeed, one could not exist without the understanding of zero. Therefor they 'are.'

Beautiful... those who can do OBE told that they watch the galaxies and planets and travel very fast... sure is interesting to be able to do that...

After considerable brain smashing[obsolete thought/theory] and meditation.....I get it Bri.[buds] I needed to further my understanding of the fractal aspects of existance and consciousness, melding the two. I must now rearrange the furniture[so to speak] in order to better grasp the implications.
Your obvious patience is noted and appreciated, a blessing to me.

Take your time Bill, take infinity if you wish.

The idea of "buds" gets even more complex when we add into it infinite dimentions, rather than the pittyfull eleven that they seem to asume.